Mate i reckon go for the 223. up the .270 when going after Fallow or larger. You then have to work up loads for the .223, .243 varmint round, and .243 hunting round. You can shoot several well aimed shots with a.223 for each.243 shot from a bolt action and nail them while they are still in range. shoul i get my handi rifle in .223 ir .243 i will be hunting deer,yotes,foxs,bobcats and potintuly wild hogs. The 22-250 is a great round as is the 243, the 223 just doesn't do it for me. 243 is more fun in my opinion. I’m sure a .243 or even the .223 will kill quickly with good bullet placement. Not to say that a .223 couldn't handle it, but it's something to take into consideration when you're taking advice from people who may shoot coyotes half the size of what you may be shooting. The 223 or even 243 in most cases don’t kill as quickly and in almost all cases doesn’t leave the blood trail that a larger caliber dies. I also reload. Excellent fox/deer round with such a variety of bullets and weights available. I have had 3 smaller shooters (2 ladies and a kid) shoot my relatively light tikka with 120 grain bullets and no one has complained about recoil. As we said, there’s a mixed bag here, and we think all these models deserve attention and consideration. That is my choice- TC Encore. Probably not in your lifetime. For longer range applications, the .243 is ballistically superior. It is mostly up to you on personal preference and availability. I love my .223’s, but I would never take any of them deer hunting. And Ive, do you rate Leupold over US Optics/Zeiss Conquest? I would go for the .243 if I had to choose. Pigeon Watch Ltd. We’ve reached the end of this interesting journey through some of the best .223 rifles that we could find to date. .243 offers way more ammo choices for deer and a bit more energy for the marginal shot. I have .223, .243, 30/30 and even a Savage 99 in 300 Savage. I am intending to do my DSC1 so hopefully that will change, although the Peltman has said he'd have no problem mentoring me. And the 223 can be a freakin laser beam in the sort of ranges you mentioned. .222, .223, .22-250, .220 swift and #.243. By Hot factory ammo through 243 isn't really "plink all day funzone", especially if the rifle is on the lighter side. From what i've read, the 22-250 is a step up from the 223 and the 243 is 2-3 steps up from the 22-250. report. What guns do you have already? Should I get a 223 or 243. Should I get a 223 or 243. The .243 sends a bigger bullet down range and is a great long range flat shooting round in a small package capable and legal to shoot deer with. A deer culler can say after shooting a couple thousand animals that 223 is enough gun for deer and it is, but in inexperienced hands a few inches makes a difference. Soon after the release of the .223 Remington as a commercial cartridge, shooters began experimenting with the cartridge in an attempt to improve its performance. If you are reloading, there is even less difference in price. and i think if it wasn't for the ar-15 type guns, the 223 would not be as … Personally I'd leave vermin to rimfire and go .243 then you have all bases and species covered if you decide to shoot deer other than muntjack. Such emails will be ignored. Yes a 243 will work too, but it costs 3x as much to shoot and is overkill when it comes to rabbits. the 243 would be less effected by wind drift then the 223. and it is a better deer/antelope/varmint gun then the 223. but as bub has said if its for coyote only go with the 22-250. i have both the 243 and 22-250,and both are great guns.myself i don't care for the 223,having had both ar-15s and bolt action rifles. The .243 win isn't as affected by wind as the other two calibers. all this depends on what bullet weight your shooting but 22-250 will out shoot a 223 and be knocking on the back door of the 243. as my 3.5-10x42 30mm Swarovski for clarity, and better for dusk/dawn light gathering. The scopes ara a little. A photo I took to show a family member the size difference in the 55 grain .223 cartridge and the 100 grain .243 Winchester cartridge...with my keys sitting next to them for scale. .243 could be used for,Paper targets, Coyotes, Deer. $250 plus some scope mounts/rings. If your not reloading .223. i bought a .223 and asked the same question and someone said you CAN kill with a .223 if u have a heavier grain bullet like a 65 or 70gr but where i come from the highest you can get off the shelf is a 55gr. Should I get a 223 or 243. .243 is a fine round. I'm going to buy a Remmie 700 VSF, I reckon. isn’t uncomfortable, but compared to the .223 Rem., it’s snappy (depending on your rifle, of course). As well as our in-depth 5.56 vs .223: Comparison of the Two Rifle Ammo Choices article. The 223 or even 243 in most cases don’t kill as quickly and in almost all cases doesn’t leave the blood trail that a larger caliber dies. my 1st kill was with a .243 n it killed it dead. 223 is what I shoot the most of. Synthetic & s/steel Tikka T3 & T8 mod any good? He had a vast armoury of stock & there was a nice new Titan 3 what are these like any good? share. I will predominantly be shooting rabbits & foxes & hopefully a few muntjac. Bad experience can come from wounding an animal with to smaller caliber aswell that may put her off for life. I don't care about barrel life... With the manufacturers making rifles with faster twists for the .22-250s now you shoot heavier bullets and outclass the .223... Well, Upstate, now you've gone and done it. The .223 Remington shoots small diameter, lightweight bullets at a very high velocity. .223 Ballistics. Thinking about the CZ-550 American with single set trigger in .243, but I have no real knowledge of this rifle other than my experience with the CZ-452 Varmint/17HMR (all good). Whatever you do make sure you get a stock that fits her. save. i have the 4-14x50 ill mp8. Do what I did and buy 1 of each. A deer culler can say after shooting a couple thousand animals that 223 is enough gun for deer and it is, but in inexperienced hands a few inches makes a difference. (As a birthday pressie). The 243 was better in windy conditions. 6.5 creed is worth a look in my opinion. The best .223 rifle will be a versatile and capable firearm that will allow you to legitimately use it for plinking, target shooting, hunting and even for home defense if you are inclined to use a small caliber high powered rifle for home defense (see our notes about that a little lower in the article).. when choosing guns, you have to pick the gun that will suit what you are doing most, not the gun that will do everything. go on,you know it makes sense! save. I've regularly shot muntjac with a .270, using Norma 130 grains. The 223 is more than capable of yotes past 500 yards with ease.   Pasted as rich text. You can post now and register later. The 243 round was much louder (out in the field with no ear protection), it could reach out a little further, and with accurate hits it was instant (fall over) death to the varmint. The 243 does sound pretty good sounds like I will get more milage out of it. It gives you more options than the .223 that will always be restricted to the smaller deer species. Bad experience can come from wounding an animal with to smaller caliber aswell that may put her off for life. Is he just playing me along, knowing that I'd be back to buy another larger caliber rifle in 6 months time? If your brother in law is willing to carry a scope for you from the US, I would highly recommend looking at, the IOR range of scopes. I cant decide whether to go for a 223 or 243! Not a real big fan of their music, but I know they sure can put on a show. I might of miss lead you, I could say that most of the Monkeys i've shot have not had as much meat damage as the one you took the other week so don't be to put of by that. Now a day they make so many different loads for the .243 it’s awesome. Want to shoot 243? Posted by 4 hours ago. It's cheaper than the .243, too. I got my variation through the post last week (I was expecting a visit from my FLO with lots of questions) but they just sent it out with everything I asked for B) .223 for vermin & fox & .243 for fox & deer. I'd go 243 and spend less on the scope (although I … 600yds doesn't seem like much of a problem for .223 on yotes. I would say the 223 is an experts caliber. I’m sure a .243 or even the .223 will kill quickly with good bullet placement. Not enough crack for me. 8 8. comments. The cost of 243 brass is almost twice that of the 223 cases, but you don't lose them in a bolt gun and are reusable a good number of times. I am not a fan of 223 for deer. But when it comes to deer, why not just get a 30 caliber gun and call it a day. Even though there is a price diff in ammo between .223 & .243 you are not going to be spraying bullets around all the time so cost isn't realy a factor, as it will take a lot of shoots to mount up to the same as buying 2 rifles if you later go for a .308 for Fallow and Reds. Powered by Invision Community, People here on Pigeon Watch aren't trying to sell you anything. I have a 3-18x 42 Illuminated with 35mm tube, and I have to say the optics quality is amazing. share. Paste as plain text instead, × I'm just curious, as I'm going to buy my next scope from the US. Typical factory loaded, it can propel a 55 grain (3.56 g) spritzer bullet at 3.680 ft/s (1.122 m/s) with 1.654 ft-lbf (2.243 J) of energy, while many other loads with lighter bullets are used to achieve velocities of over 4.000 ft/s (1.219 m/s) and still having effective energy for use in … Just didn't know how much more distance I could get out of a 243? I just dont feel the love for Savage, although they are rumored to be shooters. The .223 is a great varmint round and is cheaper to shoot that the .243 Shopping for a very accurate bolt action rifle in either .223 or .243 (I think), ambi stock, RH bolt, light weight, intended for large varmint & occasional deer hunting, probably off a tripod rest. I own an AR15 in .223, a singe shot .243 Winchester, and a Weatherby Vanguard in a .22-250 Remington. 223 vs 243 Winchester - Size Comparison. both calibers are capable well beyond 300 yards with heavy bullets and a fast barrels. Saying this we were in the shop chatting for 45 mins & I genuinely believe he had my best interest at heart. The very knowledgeable owner of the shop asked me a few questions, what I'd be intending to shoot etc... And he advised me to go with the .223 as its being cleared for CWD & Muntjac in October. As Chuck Hawks notes in his great recoil table, the .223 Rem. Personally (and this is my opinion) I would stick with the .243 for deer. A .223 case necked up to 6mm (.243). As for the scope well it'd have to be a leupold with a standard duplex cross air as it's the states but I'd recommend Europeon Glass like a schmidt and that is really expensive ,in fact alot dearer over the pond . 2 AR's and a bolt 223. If you are choose whichever you prefer. Stealth Stalker, hide. I own both a .223 rem (AR-15) and a .243 win (NEF handi-rifle), I have taken plenty of varmints with both as well as a few deer with the .243 win. Several of these experimenters necked up the .223 Remington to 6mm as the .243 inches (6.17 mm) caliber bullets provided better external ballistic performance over .224 inches (5.69 mm) caliber bullets. The 243 has a wider range of bullet weights allowing for use on varmints or medium size game animals. groundhogs yeah cause 98% you hit the ground but coyote you send that clean through it and into the woods or fields still doing 2k fps with the 243. Well done on getting what you asked for SS. 223 vs 243 vs 270. by petemacsydney » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:59 pm Anybody got advice on 223 vs 243 vs 270? In your case for Ohio I would go with the 223 in that rifle rather than the 243, unless you may venture out of Ohio to hunt deer, and prong horn, the the 243 Win is a far better cartridge. If you reload, hunting ammo is similar in cost for both rounds. IMHO a 243 is a overkill for yotes. (As a birthday pressie) B), My bro in law lives in the states & comes over on business quite a bit, so what scope should he be bringing me? Clear editor. sorry about that what I should have said is Legally you can and obviously there are a lot of people who shoot up to Red hinds with them ok a bigger caliber gives you more certainty. What I did notice, was that they died cleanly and quickly. .222, .223, .22-250, .220 swift and #.243. If you have a firearm related question, please register and post it on the forums. If you aren't keeping pelts, the 243 puts coyotes down harder. Go with the 223. I shoot both and reload for both, if you are buying good hunting ammo, I don't really see that much difference in price. Every bit as good.   You cannot paste images directly. I have had 3 smaller shooters (2 ladies and a kid) shoot my relatively light tikka with 120 grain bullets and no one has complained about recoil. What I forgot to mention in my previous post was I am restricted to being accompanied by an experienced stalker for deer. 8 8. comments. Even though there is a price diff in ammo between .223 & .243 you are not going to be spraying bullets around all the time so cost isn't realy a factor, as it will take a lot of shoots to mount up to the same as buying 2 rifles if you later go for a .308 for Fallow and Reds. My Savage .223 is probably my favorite gun that I own. I can get a .223 cal 36 grain Varmint Grenade at 4040 fps to fly as flat as the 58 Grain VMax in .243 but with even a little wind, it's poor beyond 100 yards. thanks However depending on the rifle's rate of twist the 243 will probably prefer a … I'm not shooting varmint bullets so might be carrying a tad more energy downrange. Flint Rock , Nov 24, 2009 Right now I've got a 223 AI barrel. is the obvious winner. The cheapest online 223 Or 243 Rifle And 243 Autoloading Rifle You can order 223 Or 243 Rifle And 243 Autoloading Rifle after check, compare the values and chec Unfortunately they had just sold there last Tikka, I would stick with the PW advice so far, and go for the .243. All I can say is you lucky ****** B) Why not just have both and then decide before you go out which quarry species you are going after. History. × I can't see myself shooting the bigger deer, but then again before I joined Pigeon Watch I certainly couldn't see myself getting a firearms licence & owning ferrets, where's it all gonna end. .243 thoughts, I all ready have a 243 in a pump, however another in a bolt gun wouldnt hurt. Ammo will cost more than .223. A general all purpose small caliber rifle. If you are experiencing difficulties posting in the Buy/Sell/Trade subforums of TFL, please read the "sticky" announcement threads at the top of the applicable subforum. 300 Blackout vs 223 Recoil. 223 is cheaper. I would say he has got your interest at heart but not fully aware of your situation.The thing is a .223 @1250 ft lbs doing 3250 FPS is just as lethal as .243 @2000 ftlbs doing 3500 fps .No way is shooting a smaller calibre going to be more forgiving but such is the choice of ammo in .243 that there is a very high chance you can develop a small round for fox and the smaller Deer species .Let's face it you'll either shooting one or the other and it's only a matter of noting the clicks moved on scope adjustment when shooting the heavier SP round . Bolt action rifles, lever action, pump action, self loading rifles and other miscellaneous longarms. I will mainly be using the gun for fox plus deer hopefully! I still have 4 of the .223's and one .243. Entry level 223 ammo is also heaps cheaper. The best all around varmint cartridge though is the .22-250. 6.5 creed is worth a look in my opinion. Chopped a 222 in for a 243 .......... so its obvious where my vote goes ! A .223 is a big Rabbit gun, do you need that sort of range? produces about half the felt recoil of the .243 Win. 67 posts • Page 1 of 3 • 1, 2, 3. Soldiers with 223’s aren’t concerned with recovery of critically wounded targets. $250 plus some scope mounts/rings. The short answer is get the 243, it is the more versatile of the two. If you still feel you are qualified to post in those subforums, please contact "Shane Tuttle" (the mod for that portion of TFL) via Private Message for assistance. Savage 22-250 and look no further. I appreciate all the advice guys I'm 90% sure I'm going for the .243, If it all gets to much for you take a walk out the back, i'm sure they have a spare room for you and you could shoot the Bunnies through the bars of your padded cell. Under 600 yards, however, the .220 Swift is champ because of it's flat trajectory. The Long Ranger Wildlife Edition.223 Rem/5.56 NATO, .243 Win, .308 Win A Premium Grade Version Of The Long Ranger With Special Engraving Our three Wildlife Long Ranger editions use the same foundation as our more basic Long Ranger and dress it up with unique engraving and 24K gold highlights in tribute to the game that captures the heart and soul of hunters all across the country. I own both a .223 rem (AR-15) and a .243 win (NEF handi-rifle), I have taken plenty of varmints with both as well as a few deer with the .243 win. 1. I shoot 200 yards out back with all of them. The .243 will hold velocity and retain accuracy further than any of the.22s. hide. I use the .243 for coyotes and groundhogs, and do the same with the .22-250. The ideal bullet in .243 for fox shooting is the 62 Grain Varmint Grenade (powdered Tin Copper composite) or a heavier standard lead bullet where there is a nice flat trajectory with very little wind deflection. It's cheaper to shoot and very accurate (not that the 243 is not). The 243 has a wider range of bullet weights allowing for use on varmints or medium size game animals. Like you said, you want a dedicated coyote gun and a typical rifle platform is going to be just that, dedicated to hunting..223 can be either a typical rifle platform or you can build an AR platform rifle. As long as you use the correct bullet type (i.e. There seems to be this myth always leading to a 55 gn bullet.. Oh, and I used the 243 on whitetail deer, because I wasn't comfortable using the 223 round. 223 vs 243 vs 270. Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: The 223 is more than capable of yotes past 500 yards with ease. But at 300 yards and against even the most formidable coyote a .223 is plenty.   Your link has been automatically embedded. Carry weight, and a gun thats just fun to shoot at the range. Fairer to say that TEC is apparently not particularly experienced with bolt action centerfire rifles. Others are the 30-06, and the US 30 Gov are the same, the 308 and the 7.62x51mm are the same. I've owned and shot both as a varmint hunter. However depending on the rifle's rate of twist the 243 will probably prefer a specific bullet weight. I tend to use the .22-250 for most occasions, but the .243 is hard to beat for long range shots when the wind likes to buck a 43 grain .224 caliber bullet all over the place. #best accuracy with the longest range? Ok there I was in the gun shop packed wallet in hand with the intention of getting a .243 Tikka T3 synthetic stock / stainless barrel. #best accuracy with the longest range? If you are a TFL member and can access TFL, please do not use this link; instead, use the forums (like Questions, Suggestions, and Tech Support) or PM an appropriate mod or admin. Re: .223 vs .243 please. Gotta be .243 all the way...you never say never.Bit of roe stalking may come your way and then you,ll be thinking ahh *****r B). The best all around varmint cartridge though is the .22-250. If you aren't keeping pelts, the 243 puts coyotes down harder. This email link is to reach site administrators for assistance, if you cannot access TFL via other means. Performance varies with barrel length, but typical .223 ballistics with factory ammo are a 50gr bullet at 3,345fps (1,242 ft-lbs), a 55gr bullet at 3,240fps (1,282 ft-lbs), and a 62gr bullet at 3,100fps (1,323 ft-lbs)..308 Ballistics And would love to add one of the new Ruger AR-556 rifles to my .223 collection, if my wife lets me. from what I've heard and seen in pictures, coyotes around NY tend to be bigger than coyotes in most other areas of the country. Quote Reply Topic: .223 or .243 Posted: November/19/2008 at 20:56 hey guys! report. Whoever told you .243 was too much for small deer was talking rubbish. Close. But, before we jump into the ballistics of the .223 Remington, .22-250 Remington, and .243 Winchester, we should remember why anyone bothers hunting what is generally considered an inedible critter (even though some meat eaters are now imbibing.) The .243 Win. for $5 a box for 20 223 rounds vs $30 for 20 243rds id take the 223 any day and just limit my shots to 250 and under. It is plenty big enough for muntjack with a well done bullet. As illustrated in the chart, .223 Remington rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 3150 feet per second (fps) while .243 Winchester rounds travel at a velocity of 3180 fps. Soldiers with 223’s aren’t concerned with recovery of critically wounded targets. .243 is a fine round. The .243 isn't readily available in the SS configuration I like, so I'm trying to decide if I should just pick up a SS in .223, or get the blued version (with the tan stock) in .243. 1. that will add up to another £1000 quid with it dressed and the rest.   Your previous content has been restored. Display as a link instead, × Right now I've got a 223 AI barrel. The .223 is a smaller bullet not just in size but, a good deal in weight and does not have the range or power that the .243 has. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. A quick video showcasing the 223 and 243 cartridges against my fake deer target. The .243 guarantees you can do deer and foxes and does both very well and you can do all species of deer so Fallows locally won't be a problem, but you won't be able to do vermin. The noticeable difference to me was the ammo cost, the 223 being lower vs 243. If you don't plan to shoot Deer much, then rezeroing isn't a problem because you're not going to be changing that often. plus im not a fan of sending a bigger faster bullet through something. Don't forget you may pick up some Roe stalking and your .223 won't be any use for that this side of the border. I worked up some reloads for the 300 Savage some 125 grain Hornady SST's because the weight of the Savage 99 recoil wasn't bad at all about like shooting my Marlin 30-30. I've ditched the .222 and put in for a variation for a .223, to have a punchier fox/vermin rifle (as I won't be handloading, the running costs of a .22-250 are too steep). Seemed like 223 would be the way to go. When out shooting fallow I'm hardly going home to get the .243, when I see a muntjac. I don't know what to tell you. Kinda what I thought because I can load up a 223 and load down the 3006 for sure. But, a .223 caliber rifle is enough to give you perfect hunting experience for a deer. 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