Why there is that differential between NRC ( national Research council) and the FDA I don't know b'c I don't know what the actural experiemtns were. endobj neem oil. endobj The biggest problem with fungal infections is that you need to take precautions, if it is observable it is often too late. <> 16 0 obj . Use plenty of sources and be willing to change if new information comes along". Control insects and helps in promoting plant growth. So again, I'm not trying to sell anyone anything. People remember Vioxx being withdrawn but how many people paid attention to the warnings put out about Advil saying prolonged use is dangerous? Freeway, Suite 512 PROPOSITION 65 STATEMENT:Chlorothalonil is on the California Prop. Chlorothalonil (2,4,5,6-tetrachloroisophthalonitrile) is an organic compound mainly used as a broad spectrum, nonsystemic fungicide, with other uses as a wood protectant, pesticide, acaricide, and to control mold, mildew, bacteria, algae. 4 hour inhalationLC50 for rats >7.16 mg/liter. I have seen commercials with "Happy Children" playing and. This fungicide gives broad spectrum control of vegetable, flower, fruit and ornamental diseases including but not limited to anthracnose, leaf blights, downy mildew, powdery mildew, leaf curl, scab, black spot fusarium leaf spot and many other diseases. There is no wait time after the product is applied near or on them to harvest. Gardening is a great way to spend time outdoors and get in touch with nature. endobj Cyanide and acrylic, and yet originally developed and used for patching up soldiers. This is safe for use on edibles, as well as various other areas as well. I think it is illustrative of the dangers of taking a "zero-tolerance" chemical attitude - allowing this attitude to trump both the hard evidence and the value of human life. Consider Copper sulfate. Good idea, tomatomike, I think I will follow your lead harvest first then treat, thanks :). All rights reserved. 31 0 obj 12 0 obj 47 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/ID[<5A719DD98C9F9A335E8846CBAB40D43B><4465D21CE3B9E745AF5A2511447674B8>]/Index[40 15]/Info 39 0 R/Length 56/Prev 31466/Root 41 0 R/Size 55/Type/XRef/W[1 2 1]>>stream wt1~r@wsdijvPd2q.N(xvJ4ESaF{O iO]uy{/5%BsTB*3]_*Z0uW0?{~mFzG2E4d\\- In my first post here I offered to interpret any tests re Daconil that anyone might come up with, if I know about them, b'c LD 50 and other such tests are pretty standard in Biology and used for human drugs as well. GardenTech Daconil)This is another good, general-purpose fungicide for many fungal . per gallon of water. The instructions on how to apply it are on the label, so you can use it accordingly. BIO. Sign in for a personalized shopping experience and faster checkout. There are systematic fungicides and contact fungicides. human health is unclear, although metabolism data suggest that the dog, a species that is resistant to chlorothalonil-induced renal injury, may be more representative of humans than the rat. Crystal Chemical Inter-America So how do I determine which estimate is more likely to be correct? turf, ornamentals, and other agricultural crops. A cyanide based chemical that is put directly on an open wound. Now its been retracted, Viewpoint: How the COVID lab leak theory spread like the virus itself, Viewpoint: Florida Governor Ron Desantis is all-in on vaccine skepticism, Not out of the woods on COVID threats: Animal reservoirs of SARS-CoV-2 pose unknown risks to humans, Three years after WHO declared COVID a global emergency, Americans remain sharply divided over pandemic truths and myths, GLP podcast and video: ESG undermines sustainable farming? 31 of 32 people found this answer helpful. You need to add 3 tbsp. Daconil is a broad-spectrum fungicide used on fruits, flowers, vegetables, conifers and ornamental plants. /Contents 26 0 R>> I will do what is right for me. Human Health Assessment Toxicity Chlorothalonil is in acute Toxicity Category IV (the least toxic of four categories) for the oral route of exposure, and in Toxicity Category II for the inhalation route. One day anti-oxident pills are great and cure every malady out there and the next Sunday newspaper says no they really don't and by the way you should limit your intake of them. Thats just not accurate. /Length 6247 >> Answer last updated on: 06/27/2017 Was this answer helpful to you? endstream Wish I could consiously use the stuff as my plants are taking a beating from fungus this year. 17 0 obj x3R235W(*T0PR0T(Y@@QC= P AJ TpW And to tell the truth I haven't even needed to use Daconil for the past three years.". I lose a few lower leaves but enjoy fantastic yields without any sprays and live in a humid area. Apart from tomatoes, you can also use it for other plants, including fruits, nuts, herbs, shrubs, vegetables, and ornamentals. Either way it seems some folks are getting upset so I'm finished here. Apply the amount of concentrate in the table Garden Tech Daconil Fungicide Concentrate $24.83 Buy Now In 2015, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), the cancer research arm of WHO, controversiallydeclared the popular synthetic pesticide glyphosateprobably carcinogenic to humans. The classification served as a basis for the ruling in arecent California trial in which a jury decided that Monsanto (now owned by Bayer), which patented glyphosate under the trade name Roundup, was responsible for a groundskeepers cancer. Another side note. compounds. I suggest you choose the fungicide based on the soil and the level of moisture in the soil. WINNERS ANNOUNCED of the LAST Drawing for FREE Plants! /Contents 24 0 R>> endobj <> Chlorothalanil is less toxic to humans than is caffeine--it is safe to use. A major research effort in the 1990s examined chlorothalonil as an alternative for penta. You may want to considerBonide Citrus, Fruit, and Nut Orchard Spray ConcentrateorFertilome Triple Actioninstead. and from the Serenade label:If inhaled: Move person to fresh air. I am no historical expert but my opinion is that big bisuness doesn't admit it may be harming people until there is a law suit. The direct application is fine, there is no need for dilution. Though I am starting off with a banner year, I am starting to see some problems again. How and where you grow them is key. A French startup has engineered houseplants that scrub toxins from the air. 40 0 obj <> endobj If you'd like to do a controlled test with daconil, serenade and baking soda, go ahead and post the results. Low toxicity to birds and bees. Major support and funding was provided by the A UK Farmers Perspective: What are the Consequences for Sustainability and the Public When Biotechnology Innovations are Withheld? Vince - it's ultimately up to you, but I see no reason you can't spray sparingly with a clear conscience. The best way to use it is to mix two tablespoons of oil in 1 gallon of water. x3R235W(*T0PR0T(Y@@QC= P AJ 1QpW EPA FIFRA toxicity category - II. His favorite plants are plant species in the Araceae family, such as Monstera, Philodendron, and Anthurium. our Members, Donors, and Volunteers. shown exposure levels for humans to be well below these threshold levels. in 1996. 'O[F)m8Q8W|0%bu30A8|bG4t;}X+COpuDA/0b?>(^:{x _=~CeO@6qx10NpHF $? )(fOq=L=9Cw,m h7m}qG::GdF'=~3VWD0OAu~|q3Hc-mKb/t= iwuVR[E=ql}~|z y\1P6;l,D`vCF^~}[#\6;"wcH~k9rQ{*HXM9osZT9}PHd W$^6Jej!YBU:_\HdIf"(d*1b=vWWlcT!n3w|)D,EVGTi={oFp2%jFJo#/AYF:L}rqRbsbl`ARZ;Z7\T" &@ If you dpn't like it- DON'T USE IT! Simply look at the product info for daconil and you will see lots of "not knowns" or "not tested" for several health effects catagories. Was having some beer last night and it seemed like a good idea at the time. /Contents 34 0 R>> found in formulations with many other pesticide compounds. It makes life very easy =) With regards to using it as an anti fungicide, I cant make any statement to that because I just use it to clean trees. Threads on topics such as this tend to get divisive and often turn nasty b'c there are so many differeng opinions that can be found online. I have listed some of the best fungicides that are recommended for tomato plants below for your reference. stream x3R235W(*T0PR0T(Y@@QC= P AJ 14QpW And to tell the truth I haven't even needed to use Daconil for the past three years. Daconil. This fungicide contains myclobutanil triazole, and it is also good for treating downy mildew. However, citing scorecard.org, a wing of the propagandist Green Media Toolshed (I encourage anyone to visit Green Media's mission statement as a reference) as your authority hurts your credibility somewhat (much like when my little brother attacks genetically modified plants by citing gmwatch.org). endobj Thanks for the input. I am not so stupid when it comes to this subject(but maybe at growing Toms I am a novice).The chemical structure of Daconil is like nothing I have ever seen in a natural product. Although I know it is of the utmost concern, I couldn't find anything regarding how Daconil affects the flavor of tomatoes. " It just covers the receptor points on tomato leaves so fungus spores can't enter. 13 0 obj Vince, I don't know how many chemical structural formulas for the various and many pesticides. Among the materials in this high-risk category are diazinon, Imidan, malathion and Sevin. Downy mildew, anthracnose, fungal leaf spots, shot-hole, rusts, scab, and powdery mildew on You will see that the stems and pods of the plant may also develop these spots, which will affect its growth. miticides, systemics, bacteriostatics, natural substances, etc., that are used by folks who grow in home gardens or farmers who grow commercially, that you knmow, but speaking for myself I know very few of them. 24 0 obj 4344 Shaw Blvd, endobj Fermenting is a great way to separate viable from non-viable seeds as only the larger, viable, seeds will sink during rinsing. It has not been associated with cancer, but its long-term exposure effects are unknown. stream it is one thing to do a off label applications. Excerpt from Vioxx withdrawal info"In addition, these regulatory agencies concluded that, although long-term placebo-controlled data are not available for non-selective NSAIDS, the current data suggests that COX 2 selective NSAIDs and non-selective NSAIDs have similar cardiovascular risk profiles." The number of days required to wait between applying the Garden Tech Daconil Fungicide Concentrate and harvest on cucumbers are 0. A number of studies show that it is highly toxic to humans, animals, beneficial insects and the environment. Perhaps the data is based on using specially bred cancer susceptable rats and soaking their kibbles in straight chlorothalonil. Carolyn is right on when she say's this is a controversial topic. %%EOF It treats everything from leaf spots and rust to mildew, fruit rot and mold. c o m, 92-year-old has grown tomatoes from the same seed lineage since 1965. Mulching is an effective way to keep the root zone cool and moist, while watering more frequently will also help keep the plant from getting too dry. I don't like doing this, but I think that the product is safe enough as long as it is used as directed. How does this compare to organic-type fungicides?The MSDS for Serenade (an OMRI-approved organic fungal control) contains these facts:* May be irritating to skin for some individuals. Additional Toxicity Information: May cause irritation of the gastrointestinal tract following ingestion of large amounts. In addition, some wineries in France, the US and elsewhere have backed away from growing organic wine because of accumulation of copper in the soil. endobj surfaces. Ok, now for some chemistry. It is one copper atom bound to one sulfur and four oxygen atoms (the sulfur and four oxygens make the sulfate part). As a famous American once said "It depends what the definition of the word 'is' is.". It works because the copper atom binds to proteins, altering the structure of those proteins. <> 28 0 obj This fungicide is good for early tomato blight but you can use it for other plants as well. Copper sulfate also presents health hazards to humans and larger animals since its actions are not specific to just fungi. I'm not a farmer and only grow a few tomatoes (8-12). Let nature take it's course and watch all you're hard work shrivel up and die a slow death as all you're tomatoes ripen at once and rot off the vine. %PDF-1.6 % Wednesday, February 1 - Thursday, August 31, Member Speaker Series: Chihuly in the Garden 2023. Carolyn, who prefers to put things into perspective if she can. I beg to differ about this. endobj Slightly irritating to skin (Rabbit); EPA FIFRA toxicity category - IV. Please see the product labelfor specific application rates and frequencies. I was just providing some information for others to consider. 42 of 55 people found this answer helpful. 25 0 obj However, there is a safer synthetic alternative to copper sulfate, depending on the specific purpose: Zolera, which is acombination of a fast-acting and highly systemic strobilurin with highly systemic triazole. Guides. <> You have always told folks that you feel it is mainly safe and that they should do their own research and make up their OWN minds. Would you consider sodium chloride a poison too, or no? %PDF-1.4 Jay. HWMs8Jo(c;W&GSs"! iN7@RTbOeOke$u{ ?aA" H2(X_z|?n/DiYC3e6 ZAII'?g9f5G_OHM238j{G=/Kz5l#%gymx:u/ We earn from qualifying purchases. <> Vioxx is ok to take and widely prescribed by thousands of doctors on Monday but not after 12:01AM Tuesday since they are now banned for killing people. 26 0 obj /Contents 6 0 R>> endobj The difference is with this is you know it's been sprayed. The search feature is at the bottom of this page/. It has outgrown it for now. The actual quote is excess cancers per million (indeed per million 'what' is missing from the actual quote). Thanks for any light you can shed on the matter. stream Also, follow the safety precautions while applying the fungicide as they can be poisonous. (You know, the aisle that smells so awful you gag when you walk past it SMILE)) There are other websites far better suited to answer your question. <> The point of the thread was for someone to find an example of a natural compound that resembles closely the structure of chlorothalonil. The . It very much DOES matter what the concentration is. 105 of 108 people found this answer helpful. Why are there no long-term GMO safety studies or studies on humans? Then spots will spread to newer leaves as well. If in eyes: Hold eye open and rinse slowly and gently with water for 15-20 minutes. Any harmful effects that occur from small doses repeated over a period of time are termed "chronic effects." Suspected chronic effects from exposure to certain pesticides include birth defects, toxicity to a fetus, production of benign or malignant tumors, genetic changes, blood disorders, nerve disorders, endocrine disruption, and reproduction . The common active ingredient in fungicide is sulfur and it is usually present at a concentration of 0.08%. Since daconil lacks thorough testing, is considered a toxin by label standards, can trigger immune responses in humans, effects the . <> EPA FIFRA toxicity category - IV. 54 0 obj <>stream Before you get started, you'll need to decide what type of vegetables you want to grow. I have and plan to continue with a second crop ready to plant if a plant has a disease or quits producing.I have used daconil on my lawn in the past with no ill effects, but not using a "cide" has become a challenge that I intend to win. Carolyn, whose professional career is over and done with as of 1999. blush, lol I don't think I ever completely revealed here at the forums how high the pedestal I was standing concerning personal beliefs about organic gardening. hbbd``b`)@'+qo 2 Some of the products below may be dangerous in their concentrated form to humans, domestic animals, and/or aquatic organisms such as fish. @Idt$b YVcxSLmm1zt`#X%>G&=AdR dv%-!=y,05 )Q;FO3[x //g2TP As scientist and science journalist Christie Wilcox wrote in a now iconic article for Scientific American:Copper sulfate is a chemical created with copper compounds in combination with sulfuric acid. You can easily treat late tomato blight, early tomato blight, botrytis, rust, and downy mildew with this spray. humans and domesticated animals encounter these pesticides through a wide variety of applications. the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Tomato late blight is caused by Phytophthora infestans. <> <> x3R235W(*T0PR0T(Y@@QC= P AJ 14UpW endstream U$Z^7;/+0u&zu+04-kJu%#_{@nIt;d,CE`q xtI /Contents 30 0 R>> /Contents 4 0 R>> hb```"}j @1f@cNniYjx!445@SeIz@d fb6H7r|9@ n In powder form, you will get a concentration of up to 90% sulfur in the fungicide. But I can give you a more natural substance that can be much more deadly, poisonous as many have called daconil here via agendas that substance is known as NaCl. Lots of chlorine atoms and a few cyanide groups surrounding a benzene ring. "Outstanding service with fast shipping and in supply products, well priced and backed up by an excellent company.". S:t ^-;pGWgw-li!7#(:gS. Yes, tomatoes are safe after applied with Garden Tech Daconil Fungicide Concentrate. I never have. Apart from this, apply the solution thoroughly on the plant surface as this solution can get washed off by rain. 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