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I wonder what the odds of a real Walker turning up in Switzerland are? TABLE OF RELATION BETWEEN LETTERS AND YEARS FOR THE ITALIAN PROOFTEST HOUSE The second one PN under a star means BLACK POWDER PROOFING (P stands for POLVERE - POWDER, N stands for NERA - BLACK) A PDF link to Dennis Adler's article about Italian Black Powder Proof marks is given below. The Standard mark for French Government arms was a crown above an E., and this crown has a three looped top, with the orb or ball and cross as ornament, and is so distinguished from the cross-crested crown of some St. Etienne weapons. 0000001537 00000 n
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Uberti black powder revolvers are exact replicas of their famous predecessors, and are built to perform reliably and safely with modern black powder loads. gSchf41,%0&nMF;RD}|MY3-!!6m"m._Z8eGW7F]_[jGFS/`L{U\_&?4c@4xhZ+FGmLQA!^D9`xk'3'SL`AbE39a1Xl72t1Hl>|l lX3r7 @^o5I+u`,cB|H^iaPcbxW|)skz5UXx?8|qAo:"QUvbsd,!BD_Z6R'z~oAWF|1b+Q5,J[D:Spx%Ojoqo[$4gxcX-)I._[2$)Kfk4Z?X-DNP[I1bv(~SE_m6#O. It has black powder only on one of the lower barrel flats but is stamped upside down. The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. 0000009076 00000 n
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It is available on the web from Adobe as a free download. These marks are customarily the cipher of the gunsmiths guild and the mark of the State or city. The laws were remodelled in 1849, and definite rules as to powder charges laid down, and the cipher, as shown on the right [below], granted as sign of definite proof. In 1849 the additional ciphers for provisional proof the letters E.L. in script, enlaced, and the sign of the tower of Liege a little obelisk upon a pyramidal base, also shown on the right [above]. Price: $525.00. C.-{.-~Q~vVW?[.aMF^fV?4J/:50fb0L@w6l=lMaCFnO,ta#ip:xCr3A?Z[Hi6? Starting price $549. referred to more commonly as "Proof Marks", Price: $436.00. 0000003020 00000 n
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I will continue to add to the "library" as new marks are made aware of. There used to be an odd-duck that came about several ways. After years of looking at and trying This will be an on going barrel began as a means to insure its safety and integrity. 0000111269 00000 n
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1851 Navy Black Powder Revolver Redi-Pak .44 Cal. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Prior to 1954, the year of proof was indicated in full Arabic numerals. This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. 0000009527 00000 n
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Italian Date Codes. time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. This mark appears with the standard marks and standard load marks for the caliber. 1947 = 3. 1851 Navy Engraved .44 Cal Nickel Black Powder Revolver. 0000049974 00000 n
This is from a Deluxe engraved Pedersoli Le Page pistol, and all of the stampings are on the underside of the barrel. Bookmark 5% DISCOUNT ON ORDERS OVER 5000 ROUNDS!!! 178 0 obj
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Action Type: Percussion Black Powder Revolver. H\j0~ JavaScript is disabled. A proof load normally runs 30% more pressure than its corresponding service load, not 30% more powder. Italian Firearms Year of Manufacture Look Up works for Beretta, Benelli and other Italian firearms. marks tell the country of origin of the weapon. God Bless the USA! My revolver has 'Made in Italy' on the barrel, and the Italian Gardone proof as well as the Italian proof that has a star surrounded by 8 lands and grooves above the letters PN both appear several places on the frame and cylinder. On our website you can find manufacturers and suppliers of guns and ammo from all world. Recalling that I'd typically shot 30 grains through my Italian 1860 Army, I velocity-tested the Colt with 19 grains, 25 grains, and 30 grains. 0000080946 00000 n
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FEMALE PEOPLE, Tusco Long Riders, Brown Township Regulators, Firelands Peacemakers, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Indiana Black Powder Guild, OOWSS, Umpqua Regulators, Siuslaw River Rangers, RUCAS, Jefferson State Regulators, Klamath Cowboys, Wolverton Mt. We have just started to assemble this on going source of Proof Founded in 1957 by the late Val Forgett, Jr. Over the years, this company has imported many black-powder and modern surplus firearms and replicas. Year of Manufacture: 1997 (BI Date Code) Caliber: .44 Cal. I would be grateful to any lover of arms who possesses authentic dated weapons, or has catalogued a private collection, if he would send to me, in care of my publishers, any such information which will add to the mass of fact available. The table below can be used to see if your gun was proofed in London or Birmingham. 148 0 obj
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The well known manufacturers did not want their name and reputation on a cheaper firearm, so these were sub-contracted out. The year of The markings are factory inspection and proof markings. Fairly common in comparison, owners would have their favorite smokepole bored out instead of having the barrel re-rifled or "refreshed". My revolver seems to have no date marks on it anywhere. This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. According to Col Robert Whittington in "The Colt Whitneyville-Walker Pistol", the fires Colt walkers were proofed with a "full charge" of fffg and a Bullet. 0
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The viewers mark was a capital V, also surmounted with a crown. Thanks, Claude. An additional listing showing old PN in French does indeed mean Poudre Noire, but as most BP handguns we see these days are made in Italy then it stands for Polvere Nero - Italian for black powder. Starting price $499. To establish this rule, they constructed a proof house near the City of London. The major manufacturers could not meet the demand and American distributors wanted more of and different models of what were being produced. 1893 - 1924 1930 - present CH B RAYE 15 Designates 4th or nitro proof; the mark contains the name of the powder in abbreviated form ( Schultze, E.C.) %PDF-1.6
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Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. I cant seem to find the exact one any where. These marks are the Belgian Lion rampant over the letters S.C.H. THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. 0000039738 00000 n
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A great deal of painstaking research work is necessary before a list of armourers marks applied to pistols can be compiled, but I have every hope of preparing such a list at a future date when peace is restored in Europe and the great museum collections are accessible. manufactured firearms, such as pistols from Spain and Italy, will list a The third is a plain stamp, with the letters A.V.E. 0000106738 00000 n
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determination. SPANISH PROOF MARKS PROOF MARKS: SPANISH PROOF MARKS, cont.PROOF MARK CIRCA . -Ec]]`iBd[&QE~t|J3Wva64v0-uy6Owi.x1:y14y=l*^>rv^)eO>S^)zy^Qp.6CTZ=_"qU[f!=xKw2"+pMlb/}-g%0_/3LA0G#%gC_`uC/}uEpV:+kk The mark is applied after the gun has passed the Belgian proof. Next is the mark which has "PN" - the Gardone & Brescia 1st Black Powder Proof mark used since 1959. Feedback. All photos published on this site are the property of the author or are published with the permission of the authors. 0000008871 00000 n
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These Anyways, the modern stampings are needed to produce a legal firearm in Italy (black powder p [roof testing and overall firearm inspection proof for example) and to allow it to be exported/imported into the USA by a number of importers/vendors under mass or individual contracts. Usually, these replicas are made by companies such as Uberti or Pietta, but smaller, lesser known Italian companies often make these as well. 0000007642 00000 n
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Modern pistols and revolvers are proved in their last stage of manufacture when complete with action and in firing order. 0000046756 00000 n
SKU: FR185117. And with these symbols and date codes, we can usually track down who actually made the firearm. reference books that display proof marks and their meanings. Didn't find what you were looking for? Worldwide Logistics for all your products. There are typically three stamped mark on every italian made black powder rifle, shotgun and revolver. Re-proof mark, seen on black powder rifles which had been proofed with nitro powders. Over the years I was amazed at the poor quality control done. THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. 0000067053 00000 n
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These marks have all the characteristic appearance of a rectangle, with a small blob at the top rather like a tied up sack of corn. to identify antique arms from different parts of the world, we decided Spain depended for long upon the proof of individual armourers, and most Spanish barrels were marked with the stamp of the maker set in a square or oblong block under a crown. 0000113366 00000 n
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Originally evolved by the armourers themselves, the system of proof was in nearly every arms-producing country taken over by the Municipality or the State, who imposed a series of stringent by-laws and penalties on any who sought to evade the prescribed tests. and an eagles head. Ever wonder what all those stamp marks on your Italian cap 'n ball revolver mean? St. Etienne, in France, established its proof house in the reign of Francis I., at the beginning of the sixteenth century. trailer
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It has an AE inside a box which indicates a 1979 manufacturing date. )9/q3YgYHH}c. The system of proof in Great Britain was as follows: In England, the second charter of the Gunmakers Company granted in 1672 marked the beginning of the official proving of arms, but it did not apply to weapons made elsewhere in the Kingdom, provided they were not offered for sale in the London market. 0000006823 00000 n
1992 = BB. Italian Date Codes. Good info. I never saw it extended to 2030! It has the standard Italian proof marks and date code (AD). 0000004123 00000 n
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The butt is marked "PFT FIE ITALY", etched "5K8 12 80755". Quick View Add to Cart . location, rather than a manufacturer. 0000099472 00000 n
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From left to right (upside down) are the test house and black powder proof house stampings, followed by a boxed BM, denoting a . Make: Pietta. 1969 = XXV. Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks. You are using an out of date browser. Barrel length is 5 3/4" and overall length is 11". Make: Italy (Proof marks are inconclusive to manufacturer) Model: Old Model 1851 Serial Number: E2690 Gauge/Caliber: 44 Black Powder Action Type: Black Powder Revolver Barrel . They went from BU to BZ 2004-05. Liege, in Belgium, has always been celebrated for its weapons, and established its proof house as a municipal enterprise on May 10, 1672, when it was laid down that barrels should be marked with the stamp of the city, and unproved weapons might not be sold under pain of a fine of a gold florin and the confiscation of the unproved barrel. By Their cipher or mark was the letters G.P. Get this product now as it would not last. Misc. 0000011101 00000 n
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The barrel pictured is a perfect example as it bears all of the Italian proof marks described. Dakin Gun Company Importers of Italian and Spanish Shotguns, c 1960 in San Francisco, California. H\@OQEcb{+ nb~{:0|wvrqrkx?:S],\hi~,]#M=m.0Mn6sjZ]e/&oKZ!b>^SM
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"Arsenal" or "Inspector Marks". In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. r2 e< 1{Vk)} FABBRICA ARMI F.LLI PIETTA DI PIETTA GIUSEPPE EC. The marks were obliterated when I finished the frame. December 20, 2013 in SASS Wire, Here are the codes for knowing when your Italian-manufactured firearm was made (proof date), This is from an Italian shotgun Website: shotguns.se/html/italy.htm, http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/Italian_Proof_Date_Codes_1945_-_2030.pdf. The DGG is the mark of Armi San Paoli, now Euroarms. (tr_WXvvL6Eu'}OI U-XY!A:Xnid~g,~:@ZP&kl$VsYA<5FTbf]0>okJ!wK9ae0 Lc#As;$'NS.7 5bUSGD}pzYVn5"I-6.K3obuGUQ,qe2F'.2sAI/.Dr\,:cyH=y39'vT-[ 6T for identifying the acceptance and proof marks as it appears, many startxref
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Copyright 2017 and beyond. Following is a chart displaying the year of proof symbols used from 1954 to 2003. <<9CAB7C9ADE9DBB4DB23FAD02FA255802>]>>
(1977 and 1979) Now, if I had only had the presence of mind to write down that info when I finished the .36 cal brass framed pistol kit. 0000122300 00000 n
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